'Inquiries concerning the 800000 Mexico and Pillar Dollars purchased by her Majesty & coyned into two Real pieces for the Spanish service'
Inquiries concerning the 800000 Dollars of Mexico & Pillar Peru &pieces of eightDollars, purchased by her Majesty for the Spanish serviceSpanish serv & coyned into two Ryal pieces for the Spansih service.. {sic}
Qu 1. What is the proportion of the Spanish weights to the English Troy weights to the Spanish weights used for weighing of gold & silver? A: Twenty ounces Troy weigh 9600 grains Troy & twenty ounces Spanish weigh about 8840 of the same grainswithin 10 or 20 grains over. If the Gentlemen who are sent by her Maty as Commrs from her Maty into Spain for should carry with them a pound weight Troy with ounces penny weights & grains exactly made, they may weigh 20 spanish ounces at the Mint Spanish Mint & thereby determin these Spanish weights of {illeg} exactly. {illeg} And it is to be observed that the Spanish pound consists of sixteen Spanish ounces, but the pound Troy conte{illeg}sins only twelve ounces Troy and theis ounce conteins 20 penny weights & the penny weight 24 grains
Qu. 2. What was the weight of the {illeg}800000 pieces of 8Mexico & Pillar pieces Dollars? A. {illeg} A thousand of these Mexico pieces of 8Dollars as they are now brought by the Merchants from Mexico should weight 875 {illeg}ounces Troy but the Merchants find that they usually weighed but 872 ounces at wch rates 800000 piecesDollars should weigh {illeg}6976000 ounces Tory. {illeg} Let the books in Spain be examined where the weight of the 800000 pieces {illeg} 8 wereDollars was entred & upon delivery of the same. And say by the Rule of three, As the {illeg} twenty ounces Troy to twenty ounces Spanish so is the whole weight bothof the Dollars in spanish to the whole weight in English ounces {illeg}& so also is the weight of a 1000 Dollars in spanish ounces to ye weight of a 100 in English ounces. And not that For example If the Spanish be English ounce should be to the Spanish ounce as 9600 to 8840 & the whole Spanish weight of the 800000 Dollars was {illeg} should be found in the books to be 7574389 Spanish ounces, the whole English weight in {illeg} English will be found by the Rule of three to be found {illeg} 6976000 ounces Troy., And note th & the whole weight of a thousand will be found 872 ounces Troy. And note that if the weight of a thousand prove to be 872 ounces Troy, or within an ounce or two over or under the {illeg}delivering weighing & entring the weight of the 400000 pieces of 8 Dollars may be presumed to have been faily {sic} perf{illeg}ormed: but if a thousand weighs above an ounce or two less then 872 ounces, {illeg} there is reason to make further enquiry into the matter. For they were bought upon a supposition that a 1000 would weigh 875 ounces.
Qu. 54 What ought to be the whole weight of all the Two-Ryal pieces coined out of the all the 800000 pieces of 8? Answ. By the assay I find that the {illeg} Mexico {illeg}Dollars fine are 11 ounces 1dwt fine & Two-ryal pieces are one per cent worse in fineness then the Mexico pieces of 8Dollars be encreased one per cent & you will have the whole weight of the Two Ryal pieces including the seigniora{illeg}ge As if the whole weight of the pieces of 8Dollars were 7574389 spanish ounces, the whole weight of the Two-ryal pieces ou{illeg}ght to be 7650133 Spanish ounces. And note that Pillar Qu. pieces are of 8 are about a penny wt better then the Mexico && so need not Qu. 4 be considered apart.
Qu. 45. What number of Two Ryal pieces ought to be coined out of all the 800000 Dollars? Ans. By the weight of four of them wch was {illeg}dwt 13dwt 12gr I found that one with another they weight about {illeg}3dwt 9gr Troy, one wth another. Let 100 of the at which rate an 100 of them should weigh 16 ounces 17dwt 12gr {illeg} be weighed{illeg}Troy & 100 of should weigh about 20 ounces Spanish Let 100 of them be weighed in Spain both in Spanish & English weight & there shoul the weight will be had more exactly. And if another 100 {illeg}& a 3d 100 be weighed & a medium be taken the weight will be had still more exactly. Then say by the Rule of three. As an 100 is to the weight of an hundred (whether in English or Spanish ounces) so is the {illeg} is to the number of an hundred so is the whole wei{illeg}ght of the two Ryal pieces to the whole number of As if an hundred weigh 16 ounces 17dwt & the whole weight be them. {illeg}7{illeg}50133And not that an 109 of them will be aboutweigh about 20 ounces Spanish within a few carats over or under.
Qu 56 What is the number of the two Ryal pie{illeg}ces remaining to the Queen after the deduction of the seigniorage. Answ. In forreign Mints there is usually a Duty called {illeg}a seigniorage or Duty paid for co{illeg}inage. In the Engl{illeg}ish Mint 12 ounces Troy was cut outis coined into 12 cowns {sic} & two Shillings & the two{illeg} shillings was formerly deteined by the {illeg} called the Seigniorage for maintaining the Mint & defraying the
charges of coinage, & the twelve crowns was returned to the Merchant for his twelve ounces of standard Silver. In the Mexico twenty ounces of silver isof their standard is cut into coined into 21 pieces of eight, wch makes it probable that one of those pieces may be deteined by the M{illeg}int & the for seigniorage {illeg}& the other 20 returned to the Merchant for his 20 ounces. In K. Charles his Mint 20 ounces spanish ounces are cut into about 104 two ryall pieces & perhaps 4 of those pieces may be deteined for seigniorage {illeg}But what the Seigniorage is in that Mint must be learned from the Mint it self. Also the weight & Books of that Mint are to be consulted to know the whole weight & the whole number of the Two Ryal pieces & And this seigniorage being deducted {illeg} the remainder will be the Queens money {illeg} coined out of the 800000 Dollars.
For know more exactly the weight & tale of these moneys the books of that Mint should be consulted. For there the weight & tale of all the moneyes coined out of the pieces of 8 will be found entred. And if theThose books are also to be consulted for the gross weight of all the Ingots wch were melted out of the pieces of eight will be also found entred in their books. And & out of wch the two ryal pieces were coined, & for the weigh of all the Ingo peieces of 8 as before they were melted into INgots & of the silver wch was got out of the sweep of that melting. For the Ingots melted out of the pieces of eight will be lighter then the pieces of eight by about halfone per cent, &some part of the silver & allay going away in smoak & some part being always scattered adhering to the melting pot & cinders & being scattered among the as{illeg}among the ashes & {illeg}s{illeg}hes. {sic} & about one half of what or two thirds of what is thus lost may be go{illeg}t out of the c{illeg}inders & ashes by an operation wch they call making up the sweep, & should be enquired after. All the wast & charge in coining the money out of the {illeg} Ingots is made good by the Master of the Mint out the what is the method of that Mint for
Q. 3.Inqui What oug was the gross weight of {illeg} all the Ingots melted out of all the 800000 dollars? Ans. This weight may be found entered in the Books of the Spanish Mint or Mints where the {illeg}pieces of 8Ingots were coined. But {illeg} And furth it may be also deducted prett{illeg}y nearly from the weight of all the p 800000 peices of Dollars before melting. For 8it is to be in the melting there is a wast {illeg}some of the allay fumes away & some of the silver sticks to the melting pot & to the scales of iron wch come of from the pott & to ye coales wch fall into the pott, {illeg}& some of it will spring into the fire & be scattered among the ashes, or {illeg} be spilt & by all this wast the Ingots will become lighter then them the money was before melting by about or perh or perhaps or per cent. And the out of the cinders & as as {sic} may be got same a considerable quantity of silver wch been be an operation wch we call making up the sweep. {illeg} Which silver being added to ye Ingots will make up the weight of the money wanting only about the three hundredth part of the weight. And by this proportion, either the weight of the money Ingots arising from the money & sweep may be gathered from the weight of the moneys & on the contrary, t{illeg}he weight of the m{illeg}oney may be gathered from the weight of the Ingots.
These factsThere fore For let the three hundreth part of the weight of the money be subducted from theat weight {illeg}& the remainder will be the weight of the Igngots proceeding from the money & sweep without any error worth considering. {sic}. Or {illeg}on the contrary, if the weight of all these ingots be known, let the three hundredth part thereof be added to it & th{illeg}e summ will be the weight of the money before melting. It {illeg}must {illeg} be enquired therefore what silver has been got out of the sweep or what allowance has been made to her {illeg}Maty for the {illeg}same. And if a doubt arise D{illeg}And if theabot about it: Let the weight of the moneys before melting be diminished by the 300th part thereof & from the remainder lett the weight of the Ingots produced by melting the moneys be subducted & the remainder is the weight of the silver wch ought to be got out of the sweep for her Maty & this silver or the value thereof ought to be allowed to her Maty by him who melted the moneys into Ingots. Sometimes the Melter &bring agrees at a certain allowance by the pound weight to make good the bring of the old moneys melted down to bring in so much supply of silver of the same st{illeg}andard, as shall being added to the Ingots shall make up the f weight of the moneys before melting. And this allowance should be about the 300th part of the value of the the {sic} silver melted.
Quære 6. What was the charge ought the Queen to of coining the 800000 {illeg}beare for {illeg}two ryal pieces? Ans. Dollars into two Ryal pieces? Ans. {illeg} If the Wueen be consideretion {illeg} these Besides the wast in the first melting of the Dollars into Ingots wch as I said is about the 300th part of the silver melted, there is the charge of there is the char there is the chthe firstIngots Dollars that melting {illeg} to be recconed wch charge in London is about the th{illeg}about a penny or th607th of a penny for every pound weight of silver (or at least th of a penny) or at the lowestor at the lowest that is, about the 800th part of the value of the silver. {sic} melted. And there is also the {illeg}Seigniorage melted, that is or Duty paid for coining the Ingots into two Ryal pieces. This Seigniorage In the Mint in the Tower before the making of the coinage Act th{illeg}ey coined twelve ounces of silver into twelve crowns & two shillings & paid back to the Importer a crown for every ounce of silver imported & kept the two shillings for Seigniorage. & pa What the seigniorage is in the Spanish Mints I do not know. {illeg} T Twenty one Mexico pieces of 8tDollars make 20 ounces of Spanish, & 104 two ryall pie {sic}ces are of the same weight. wch makes it probable that the seigniorage in the in year Mints at Mexico they {illeg} the seigniorage the seigniorage is {illeg}one piece of 8 in every twenty ounces8 or King Charles his mints four two Ryal pieces inis twenty ouncesin silver {illeg} {illeg}, the Importer re{illeg}ceiv{illeg}es, back out of {illeg} out of the Mint a piece of 8tDollar f{illeg}or every {illeg}ounce imported at {illeg} {illeg} {illeg}{illeg}five two ryal pieces for every ounce in K. Charles's mints. But & the King a Piece of {sic} 8t {illeg} a Dollar in every twenty ounces for seigniorage And after the same rate K. Ch the Officers in K. Charles mint {illeg} may retain 4 pieces for seigniorage in every 2{illeg}0 piecesounces coinedor 5 pieces of every twenty ounces. For four of these pieces pass in Spain for a place of 8t. But what is the signiorage in that mint must be known {illeg}at the Mint it self. And enquiry should also be made whether the charge of the first melting & the want or either of them {illeg}be not included in the seigniorage.
Q. 7 Q What number of two Ryal pieces are the Queens Officers to receive out of the Spanish mint? Answ. The number received out will be found entered in the books of the Spanis{illeg}h Mint. And the number wch ought to be received will be had by {illeg}deducting the s{illeg}eigniorage from the whole {illeg}number wch ought to be produced by coinage. And if the charge of the coi first melting not included in the Seigniorage but has bee {illeg} paid out of the new coined mones {sic} that charge must be also deducted. And note that 20 Spanish ounces spanish {illeg} of silver in the Ingots {illeg}make 100about 100 {illeg}two ryall pieces out of wch & if the seigniorage should ‡ < insertion from the bottom of f 194v > ‡ Should {sic} be 4 of those pieces & all other charges about half a piece, there would remain to ye Queen about 105 pieces two ryall pieces for every 20 Spanish ounces of Ingot, that is for every 21 Mexico & pillar pieces of 8tDollars. And at this rate her Maty should receive for the {illeg}out of the S{illeg}42 800000 pieces of 8tDollars should receive out of the spanish Mint about 4200000 two Ryal pieces.
The charge of melting the Mexico Dollars into Ingots (if it be not {illeg}included in the Seigniorage) is to be born by the Queen, & may am{illeg}ount to a two ryal piece for every 16 or 18 pound weight Spanish 200 Dollars or to 4000 two ryal pieces for the whole.
Qu. 8. What is the value of a new piece of 8t in Spain. {sic} Answer. About 25 years ago, The Portugese have raised their money {illeg}20 per centEver sSince the year 1686 the Spanish money has been raised {illeg}25 per cent & new Sevil pieces of 8t coined accordingly [ About nine years ago I examined {illeg}And I think {illeg} Mexico the pieces of {illeg}{illeg}8t now goes in Spain for 10 Ryals so thatAnd the money of Portugal has of late years been raised {sic} 20 per cent I have seedn some new Sevil pieces of 8t which{illeg} wch by the weight were but & assay were in value but four fift parts of the old Mexico Sevil pieces. These weighed 141dwt. {illeg}And {illeg}these newtwo Ryal pieces{illeg}But whether the old pieces of 8t were raised in Spain from 8 ryals to ten I cannot affirm. If they were not raised to ten ryalls out still go for eight ryalls, then four of the new two Ryal pieces of King Charles are to b{illeg}e recconed in Spain of equal value wth the old pieces of eight. I do not say that they are of equal value for the melting pot, but of equal value f{illeg} in payments to the army & people.{illeg} two new Sevil pieces of 8 dated 1691 & 1700 {illeg}& pound them standard & they weighed 14dwt wanting a grain or two & so were in value 3s 7d wch is just four f{illeg} the old pieces of eight. These new pieces &c
Two new Sevil piece of 8 These new pieces {illeg} dated 1691 & 1700 being about 9 years ago examined by {illeg} were found them standard & then weighed 14dwt wanting a grain & so were in value justjust four fifts of ye Mexico pieces of 8t, & old Sevil pieces of 8t.going for 8t Ryalls the the Ryall pieces of K. Charles must go in Spain for a quarter of these that value new pieces. & be {illeg} And if the old pieces of 8t were notDollars have not been raised fro in Spain from 8 Ryals to ten the but still go fo only for 8 Ryalls, the f (for I have not yet informed my self of this particular) then the old four of the two-ryal pieces of K. C. must in payments be recconed equivalent to a Mexico or silver piece of 8tor silver Dollar. I do not say that they are of equal value to the Refiner for the melting pot, but only of equal value {illeg}in payments to ye army & people of Spain. And because of this rate ye
As the King of raised the money of Spain 25 per cent so also {illeg} Spain hasthe King of Portugal has lately raised the money of that nation 20 per cent recconned {illeg} of that nation{illeg} fo
– including the Seigniorage And so far as I am yet
The seigniorage is a Duty paid by the Importer for coinage & how much it is must be know at the Spanish Mint. {sic}. In the mint in the Tower before the making of the coinage Act, twelve ounces of standard silver were cut into 12 crowns & two shillings & the 12 crowns were deliverd for seigniorage Twenty one Mexico Dollars make 20 ounces spanish & since its probable that the Importer receives out of t{illeg}he {illeg}Mexico mints 20 Dollars for his 20 ounces & a Dollar is deteined for seigniorage. At this rate four two Ryal pieces shou{illeg}ld be the seigniorage for coining 20 ounces in K. Charles's mint. For eight Ryals a Mexico Dollar or piece of eight is a piece of eight Reaus or Ryalls. About 25 years ago I examined two new Sevil pieces of 8t dated 1691 & 1700 & found them be standard & lighted by a fift part then the old pieces of eight. And these two-Ryal pieces by their name go for quarter pieces of eight, {illeg}being {illeg} for a quarter of the new being about a quarter of the new pieces of eight wch go & & so four of them go in Spain for eight ryalls wch is as much as {illeg} old pieces of eight ryallsfor {illeg} for as much as the old ones.
In a pound weight oftwenty ounces spanish ounces of these new two-ryal pieces there are about 109 pieces. {sic} of this money. If four of them be deteined for Seigniorage, the Queen should receive 105. Twenty ounces of Ingot has been allayed wth the fift part of an ounce of copper &or perhaps wth a quarter of an ounce & so so should produce 11 pieces of two ryals or 110. Therefore let the books of the Spanish mint or mints be examined to see w{illeg}ha{illeg}t {illeg}weight of Ingots has been coined, wha{illeg}t allay ha{illeg}s been put to the Ingots, what number of two-ryall pieces has been delivered out of the Mint for the service of her Maty & what number havse been deteined for seigniorage. Also let the laws of that mint be enquired into, as to the weight or& fineness of the {illeg}me{illeg}oney & the seigniorage & how far the master of that Mint or Mints has observed those laws. And particularly how it comes about that the two Ryal pieces are coarser by about 1 per cent then the Mexico Dollars, whether it be by the law if the Mint or by the error or {illeg}gression of the Master & worker; & how it {illeg}how many pieces it comes about that the two Ryal pieces are about four per cent lighter then a quarter of ye new pieces of 8 or then a fift part of the old ones, or that 20 ounces make 109 pei{illeg}ces, whether it be by the law of the Mint or by the fault of the master & workerof the Mint; & who has had the advantage of the lightness. For if the Master &of the Mint has made any advantage to himself either by the {illeg} coarseness or by the exactnesscoarsenesshighness of ye money he ought to make satisfaction. As for instance, if by the law of ye Mint Master signedought to coin 20 ounces into 104 or 105 peices & has coined them into 109 pieces, the question will be, {illeg}Who has had the advantage of the excess of {illeg}
Source
MINT 19/2/193-4, National Archives, Kew, Richmond, Surrey, UKMid-1711, c. 3,512 words.