Partial holograph draft of MINT00503 (Mint 19/2/242-3)

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And upon comparing the said Representation with the said late Order of Council & printed Proclamation I humbly represent, That if the standard weights of the forreign coins established by the said Proclamation & the value of those coynes as they are now current in Ireland by the said Proclamation are to remain, then considering that the weight of the single Pistole & Lewis d'or is in the said Proclamation put four penny weight eight grains (for this is their ordinary weight one with another as they come fresh out of the mints) the weight of the double Pistole & Lewis d'or ought, put in a new Proclamation eight penny weight & sixteen grains, & that of a quadruple Pistole seventeen penny weight & eight grains. And the Moyder (which as the merchant bring them hither a little worn weigh one with another 6dwt 21$\frac{\mathrm{3}}{\mathrm{4}}$gr, & beput in weight 6dwt 22grains in the same Proclamation. For those of this weight are in Ireland worth 29s. 11$\frac{\mathrm{1}}{\mathrm{2}}$d recconing an english shilling there at 13d & gold 22 carrats fine at 3li 19s 8d$\frac{\mathrm{3}}{\mathrm{4}}$ per ounce, which is the standard value. But if gold 22 carrats fine be recconed at 4li per ounce as is commonly done, a Moyder weighing 6dwt 22gr will be wroth 30s 0d$\frac{\mathrm{3}}{\mathrm{4}}$. And therefore taking the nearest round number it may be valued at 30s without any error worth noting the weight being 6dwt 22gr. And at this rate all Moyders weighing above 6dwt 21gr will be current without allowing any thing for wearing

But if the weight & value of the coins in the said printed Proclamation are to be reconsidered, then the following observations may be made upon them. The Pistole & Lewis d'or as they are commonly current weigh one with another 4dwt 7gr being lightned about a grain by wearing, & those of this weight are worth 18s 6d in Ireland where an English shilling goes for 13d.

The Ducatoon of Flanders before wearing weighs (one piece with another) 20dwt 22gr. That it may be worth 6s in Ireland, as its valued, in the Proclamation, its weight ought to be 21dwt. In the printed Proclamation its weight is put 20dwt 16gr without allowing any thing for the eight grains wanting, & nothing is allowed for wearing till it want 12grains more in weight.

The pieces of eight of Mexico & Sevil & the Pillar pieces & French Lewises before wearing weigh one with another 17dwt 12gr. That they may be worth 4s 9d in Ireland they ought to weight 17dwt 8gr. In the printed Proclamation their weight is put 17dwt without allowing any thing for the 8gr wanting in weight.

The Cross Dollar before wearing weights (at a medium) 18dwt 1gr. That it may be worth 4s 9d it ought to weigh 18dwt. In the printed Proclamation its weight is put 17dwt wihtout allowing any thing for the penny weight wanting which amounts to 3d.

Rix Dollars are of several sorts & before wearing weigh about 18dwt & 8 or 10gr. That they may be worth 4s 9d in Ireland they ought to weigh 17dwt & 18 or 20gr. In the printed Proclamation their weight is put 17dwt without allowing any thing for the want of 18 or 20gr in weight.

The old Peru piece of eight that it may be worth 4 6d in Ireland should weight 17dwt & is put at that weight in the printed Proclamation.

The Crusado of Portugal before wearing weights 11dwt 4gr. That it may be worth 3s 2d it ought to weigh 11dwt 10gr. In the printed Proclamation its weight is put 10dwt 20gr without allowing any thing for the want of 14gr in weight.

In the end of the printed Proclamation the weights used in Ireland by vertue of a Proclamation dated 21 Feb 1697 are established to continue in use for weighing the coins therein mentioned. If those weights were in ounces penny weights & grains they may serve for all the coins: if in single pieces for single coins, (for I remember the send of such < insertion from f 239v > weights from hence) those that are wanting made by speedily made here (if it be thought fit) & sent with the new Order of Council or as soon after as may be, that they may be ratified by the new Proclamation.

The allowance of 2d per grain for the wearing of gold coins & three half pence per halfpenny weight for the wearing of silver coins is as neare to the truth as can be put in round numbers.

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May it please your Lordship

In obedience to your Lordships order of Reference signified to me by Mr Taylors letter of Iune 16th Instant, I have perused the Representation from the Lords of the Privy (in Ireland touching a late order of Council for giving currency in that kingdom by Proclamation to some forreign coins which were omitted in a former Proclamation a printed copy of which they ahve sent desiring a clause to be added to the said Order for making allowance for light pieces as was done in the said Proclamation & that the Order may be comprehend also the forreign coins mentioned in that Proclamation, because the original of that Proclamation under the broad seal was destroyed in the late fire which happened there at the Council chamber: so that the Clerk of the Council cannot now certify that the printed copy agrees verbatim with the original as the late Act of Parliament requires for the conviction of the Counterfeiters of those coins. Concerning all which I humbly represent that the coins mentioned in the said Proclamation & Order ought to be of the weight mentioned in the following Table that they may be in Ireland of the value mentioned therein, supposing gold & silver to be raised a penny in the shilling in Ireland above what it is in England.

			dwt	gr		s	d
3 Old piece of 8 of Peru, Cross Dollars, Legg Dollars, Rix Dollars		}	17.	0.		4.	6
4 Ducatoon of Flanders & Holland		}	21.	0.		6.	0	recting	20.	16.	...	5.	11.
5	Crusado		10.	20.		3.	0

And the quadruple double halfs & quarters in proportion.

Concerning all which I humbly observe, make the following observations In the printed Proclamation the weight of the Pistole & Lewidor was put 4dwt 8gr after which rate the quadruple Pistole should weigh 17dwt 8g that is 416gr & the double Pistole should weigh 8dwt 16gr that is 208gr But in the Memorial upon which the late Order of Council was grounded <240r> the quadruple Pistole was put only 408gr & the double Pistole & Lewidor 204gr. I am humbly of opinion that in the new Proclamation the quadruple & double Pistoles should be put in proportion to the single ones.

The double Lewidor & Pistole new out of the Mint weight 8dwt 16gr & the single one 4dwt 8gr, but as they come out hither a little worn the Pistoles & Lewidors are a grain lighter one with another & this weight answers to their value in Ireland where a shilling goes for thirteen pence & all other money should be valued in proportion. I humbly propose therefore that in the new Proclamation the French & Spanish gold moneys be put as follows

The piece commonly called the quadruple Spanish Pistole of Gold weighing seventeen penny weight four grains to pass at three pounds & fourteen shillings.

The piece commonly called the double Spanish or French Pistole of Gold or double Lewidor weighing eight penny weight & fourteen grains to pass at one pound & seventeen shillings.

The piece commonly called the Spanish or French Pistole of gold weighing four penny weight & seven grains to pass at eighteen shillings & six pence

The piece commonly called the Spanish or French half Pistole weighing two penny weight & three grains & an half to pass at nine shillings & three pence.

The piece commonly called the Spanish or French quarter Pistole weighing one penny weight one grain & three quarters to pass at 4 shillings & 7$\frac{\mathrm{1}}{\mathrm{2}}$ pence.

But if the weight of the single Pistole & half Pistole be put as in the late Proclamation, then the weight of the quadruple Pistole should in proportion be put 17dwt 8gr & that of the double one 8dwt 16gr.

The Moyders of Portugal as they are brought over by the Merchant weighs one with another 6dwt 21$\frac{\mathrm{3}}{\mathrm{4}}$gr & in Ireland at that weight recconing standard gold at 2d a grain in England But is the standard Gold be recconed at 3li 19s 8$\frac{\mathrm{1}}{\mathrm{2}}$ per ounce, (which is the standard value a Moyder of that weight will be worth 29 10$\frac{\mathrm{3}}{\mathrm{4}}$, are worth 30s 0d & fresh out of the Mint they may weight 6d 22gr or 6dwt 22$\frac{\mathrm{1}}{\mathrm{4}}$ one with another & so be worth about 30s. If for avoiding fractions their weight be put 6dwt 22gr & their value 30s, all those pieces that weigh above 6dwt 21gr will be current without allowing any thing for lightness. And then the Portugal money may stand in the Proclamation as follows

The Portugal piece of Gold commonly called a Moyder weighing 6dwt 22gr to pass at thirty shillings

The piece commonly called the quarter Moyder weighing one penny weight seventeen grains & an half to pass at seven shillings & six pence.

The Ducatoon of Flanders that it my be worth 6s in Ireland ought to weight 21dwt. Its usual weight before wearing (taking one piece with another) is 20d 22gr. Its weight in the Proclamation is put 20dwt. 16gr & nothing is allowed for the want of 8gr.

The pieces of eight of Mexico & Sevil & the Pillar pieces of eight & French Lewisses that they may be worth four shillings & nine pence in Ireland ought to weight 17dwt 8gr They weigh one with another before wearing 17dwt 12gr. In the Proclamation their weight is put only 17dwt 0gr nothing is allowed for the want of 8gr.

The Cross Dollar that it may be worth 4s. 9d in Ireland ought to weigh 18dwt, & this is its usual weight before wearing. In the Proclamation its weight is put 17dwt. & nothing is allowed for the deficiency of a penny weight which amounts to 3d.

Rix Dollars that they may be worth 4s 9d in Ireland ought to weigh 17dwt & 18 or 20 grains. Their usual weight before wearing

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is 18dwt 9gr. Their weight in the Proclamation 17dwt, & no allowance made for the want of 18 or 20 grains.

The old Peru piece of eight that it may be worth 4s 6d in Ireland ought to weigh 17dwt. Its put at that weight in the Proclamation.

The Crusado of Portugal that it may be worth 3s 2d ought to weigh 11deadweight 12gr. Its usual weight before wearing is 11dwt 4gr Its weight in the Proclamation 10dwt 20gr, & no allowance for the want of 16gr. I am humbly of opinion that these peices should be valued only at 3s, this being the value of those that weigh 10dwt 20gr.

If all the pieces of silver money were put at their just weight in proportion to the value at which they are to be current, it would help to preserve them from clipping; especially if that weight be near the original weight of the pieces. And the currency of good money will not be hindred thereby because there is an allowance of twelve grains for wearing before the pieces can be refused in payment & after that they are still current upon abating three half pence in the value

In the end of the printed Proclamation there is mention made of weights used in Ireland by vertue of a Proclamation dated 21 Feb 1697 for weighing the several sorts of coins made current in that Kingdom. I remember the making of those weights by the standard weights in the Mint. And if any new weights shall be wanting they may be speedily made that their use may be established by the Proclamation now to be issued

A Ducatoon weighs before wearing 20dwt 22gr & is worth in Ireland 5. 11$\frac{\mathrm{3}}{\mathrm{4}}$. In the printed Proclamation its weight is put 20dwt. 16gr & it valu 6s. To be of that value it should weight 21dwt.

A piece of 8 & Lewis weighs before wearing 17dwt 12gr & is worth in Ireland 4s 10d$\frac{\mathrm{1}}{\mathrm{2}}$ In the Proclamation its weight it put 17dwt & its value 4 9. To be of that value it should weigh 17dwt 8gr.

The Cross Dollar weighs before wearing 18dwt & in Ireland is worth 4s. 9. In the Proclamation its weight is put 17dwt & its value 4s. 9d. Either a penny weight should add to its weight or 3d deducted from its value.

Rix Dollars are of various sorts & before wearing weight about 18dwt & 8 or 9 grains & are worth 4. 10$\frac{\mathrm{1}}{\mathrm{2}}$. In the Proclamation their weight is 17dwt & their value 4. 9. To be worth 4. 9 their weight should be about 17dwt 18gr.

The old Peru piece weighing 17dwt is worth 4s 6d as in the Proclamation.

The Crusado of Portugal weighs before wearing 11dwt 4gr & is worth 3s 1$\frac{\mathrm{1}}{\mathrm{4}}$d. In the Proclamation its weight is put 10dwt 20gr it value 3s 2g. That it may be of that value it ought to weigh 11dwt 10gr.